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Greece\u2019s pensioners already have barely enough to live on<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

From Effie Achtsioglou, Minister of Labour, Social Security and Social Solidarity<\/span><\/p>\n


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Sir, As we prepare for next Monday\u2019s negotiations to gain desperately needed debt relief for Greece, there is hope in the International Monetary Fund\u2019s recognition that it is necessary for economic growth. We cannot accept IMF insistence on further cuts in pensions. As minister for pensions I must answer, hoping that IMF managing director Christine Lagarde will listen. Sample the FT\u2019s top stories for a week You select the topic, we deliver the news. Select topic Enter email address Invalid email By signing up you confirm that you have read and agree to the terms and conditions, cookie policy and privacy policy. Among the claims made against Greece\u2019s pension system are that the retirement age is too low and pensions too high, which act as a disincentive to work and enterprise. The narrative about Greek pensions is driven by demands of its creditors. They argue that the pension system is overgenerous and a drain on the economy. It is based on the crude statistic that pensions require annual transfers from the state budget of around 11 per cent of gross domestic product in Greece compared with the eurozone average of 2.25 per cent.<\/span><\/p>\n

This comparison is misleading.<\/span><\/p>\n

Following the implementation of the new pension law last year, total state financing of pensions is projected at less than 9 per cent of GDP. Furthermore, the eurozone average relates solely to the cost of financing pension system deficits and not total spending. The comparable figure for Greece is around 5 per cent of GDP. The difference is unrelated to an overgenerous pension system. It is primarily the result of the significant drop in Greece\u2019s GDP during the crisis, alongside a substantial increase in unemployment, leading to a severe reduction in social security contributions.<\/span><\/p>\n

Nonetheless, the Greek government introduced a comprehensive reform guaranteeing savings of 1.5 per cent of GDP by 2018. The IMF needs to consider other areas of social spending, where Greece lags significantly behind the European average \u2014 healthcare, disability, family\/children and housing benefits. Greek pensions act as surrogate for other parts of the social safety net, filling their gaps. The bottom line is that Greece\u2019s old people are much worse off than elsewhere in Europe because they do not have access to other benefits. Per capita income for individuals aged over 65 is about \u20ac9,000, compared with \u20ac20,000 in the eurozone. How could the major problem confronting Greece be overgenerous pensions, when 43 per cent of pensioners receive less than \u20ac660 a month? At Davos Ms Lagarde alerted policymakers to growing inequality and poverty, urging them \u201cto think about how to address public discontent\u201d. Insisting on further pension cuts while Greek pensioners barely have enough to live on is definitely not the way to address public discontent.<\/span><\/p>\n


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Effie Achtsioglou Minister of Labour, Social Security and Social Solidarity,<\/span><\/p>\n

Athens, Greece<\/span><\/p>\n


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COMMENTS (11)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

peter_fsb 4 hours ago<\/strong><\/p>\n

There you go. 8\/9 commenters thus far that know a hell lot more than a Syrizoid “minstrel”. Blew holes the size of football fields. Which demonstrates the abysmally low quality of this fringe group that calls itself government and the low quality of the political system in Greece in general and the lack of economic literacy for the population at large, for which the Bank of Greece has done nothing about to educate. One of the commenters drew attention to the particular variant of idiocy this minstrel has: she dared to admit in public that pension contributions are not only redistributed at will to non deserving recipients but are also used for non retirement ends. Are Junker and Moscovici reading this miserable exhibition of incompetence? She confuses welfare systems – a general taxation and revenues issue – with retirement systems. The reason is that she has no perception of a non deficit pension system and is used as an alt – normality to plugging holes from public coffers.<\/span><\/p>\n


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Dagny Taggart 6 hours ago<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

According to the “Helios” Greek pension reporting system, in July 2015 there were 2.7 million retirees, o\/w 0.9 million (one-third of the total) were under 67 years old. These are the last published data, since the SYRIZA-led government discontinued their publication, presumable because they consider that too much transparency is not a good thing. Note that the working population in Greece amounts to 3.7 million, i.e. the ratio of active to retired population is 1.37 (and falling). Pension expenditure in Greece has not declined in line with GDP since the crisis erupted in 2010, therefore pensions need to fall further in a PAYG system. Left-wing politicians like Ms Achtsioglou strongly opposed a gradual shift to a capitalized pension system over the past decades, with the result that the current, bankrupt, pension system is all there is to support the retirees. The argument that pensions should not be cut because they help pay for other social needs, including support for unemployed relatives, is bogus. Thanks to the troika (God bless them!) a modern social safety net is being implemented in Greece, targeted to the most needy, through the national roll-out of a Mininum Guaranteed Income this year. Pension cuts are needed to help fund the MGI.<\/span><\/p>\n


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Don Corleone 8 hours ago<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

How much a state can pay to pensioners is not a function of how much pensioners need in order to have a decent life. It is a function of how much the state earns from taxes and other sources. How much the state earns from taxes is a function of how big the economy is (and how good is the state in collecting those taxes). When the Syriza led government took office in January 2015, instead of focusing on pro-growth reforms, declared war on its European partners. The war costed the collapse of Greece\u2019s well capitalized (through taxpayers\u2019 funds) banks, the derailing from the recovery path that the country had entered in 2H14, the destructive for the economy capital controls and the miss of the big QE opportunity. After signing the 3rd bailout in July 2015, the government is fooling around trying to postpone the inevitable: that its citizens must pay the price of the damage Syriza caused to Greece. Poor Greek pensioners will pay among those who will pay the price for Tsipras incompetence and foolishness.<\/span><\/p>\n


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Urania C 8 hours ago<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

With respect, get on with implementing the plan or step down to let a new government to be elected which can implement the right balance between austerity and growth. Your persistence in holding on to power when you are clearly unwilling to accept the political cost of squaring the bill with Greeces debtors, is irresponsible and reckless.<\/span><\/p>\n


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Dinos RST 8 hours ago<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Dear Mrs Labour Minister, since the IMF is lying, why dont you publish a list of all pensioners in Greece together with the starting age that each one of them got his\/her pension?<\/span><\/p>\n

And furthermore why not publish the total payments to the pension system that each one of them made during their working lives? just to compare what they paid and what they got? and please, do let me believe that these numbers are either not available or that you do not want to publish them……<\/span><\/p>\n


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peter_fsb 9 hours ago<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

A prime example of an illiterate populist in a ridiculous government: What creditors, ignoramus, these are bailout funds; cannot even describe, this joke of a minister, what a PAYG pension system is and why it is not sustainable and needs the rest of the taxpayers to fill the budget gap (or where does the money come from?) aside from the rest of employed workers that pay the regular contribution for current retirees in a double taxation aberration (huh?, too difficult of a question for you fringe leftoid?); how many little pension regimes were in existence before the economic adjustment program creating phenomenal waste along with the notorious farmers pension fund; what are the contingent burdens of the generous handouts of pensions at an early retirement age of the previous decade(s); what were the contours of the analysis and projections of the 2002 IMF Article IV Selected Issues paper of the explosive path of liabilities of the disorganized pension system and the outline of an urgently needed NDC (notional accounts system as in Sweden) implementation layer on the system? Reading anything else than pamphlets is not a strong suit for the riff-raff that forms the current “fake”, in parlance du jour, government.<\/span><\/p>\n


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Vash 9 hours ago<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

She has a point but whos going to listen? Greeces resources are on course to be privatized. Nothing can change that. Their workforce has already fled or is fleeing the country. The only real question is whos getting the biggest cut from the pie. IMF or EU?<\/span><\/p>\n


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Stephanos Klimathianos 10 hours ago<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

The Honorable Minister deftly omits mention of one damning statistic: what percentage of Greek pensioners is under the age of 50? (To say nothing of the percentage under 40). This system has been a train wreck for decades, and it would be laughable if it wasnt bleeding dry the remnants of Greeces labour force.<\/span><\/p>\n


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rzb 12 hours ago<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Effie Achtsioglou needs to understand that the average citizen in Europe understands what their retirement age is and NOT what a deficit is, no matter how many letters are written to newspapers. So before breakfast, in Effie Achtsioglous Alice in Wonderland view, the German voter has to be convinced of just one impossible thing: that Germans need to work longer than Greeks.<\/span><\/p>\n


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Leveller 13 hours ago<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Greece does have a habit of comparing itself to the EU average or to Germany… There is an obvious problem with that! Something the (socialist) minister may not realise is that the big issue with Greece is that the state under years of socialism extended its tentacles into everything: state education (totally centralised, poor quality), state paid private pensions, state power and telecoms, civil service employment. When the state went bankrupt EVERYTHING fell apart. Surely the answer is that in a country like Greece (and probably everywhere) the state is not to be trusted with so much… But the minister is right that this has all gone too far: huge property taxes now unrelated to the ability to pay, huge taxes on businesses like rooms to rent with no depreciation.<\/span><\/p>\n


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Unintendedconsequence 18 hours ago<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

But Greece is a Third World country. And at what age do Greeks first receive their state pension? Years of living beyond your means has a price.<\/span><\/p>\n

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